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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:35:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Posting in a thread where "Isk per hour" is the only reason people play this game.
I don't.
Nice to make ISK, yes, but if you're making it your bible, your only motive to play this game, then you fail at Eve.
False. I concede it is not the only reason. Yet you must agree with me that all activities can be looked at from a isk/hour perspective and a balanced game is possible only if the isk/hour - risk/reward scales accordingly.
Your thread is built upon a lie and false premises.
Your questions are unlikely to have ever produced any usable statistics or data as it fails to take in to account those people who fall partly outside your narrow definitions of a high sec dweller. The reason I say it is based upon a lie is that judging from not only your reaction to certain posters, but your leading questions following on from their responses, that this thread is really a stealth "nerf high sec" whine thread. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:EvEa Deva wrote:The way this game is set up alot of people mission for a year or two before they feel they can be effective in any form of pvp.
Hate the game not the player The problem is that, the way the game is actually set up, they're wrong, and that by doing so, they will never be effective because they will always be lagging behind in the two things that really matters: experience and support. So hating the players who fool them into believing such nonsense is rather appropriate.
Who is the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Who is the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him? The latter might at least have an excuse, not knowing better and allGǪ the former is just malicious.
I concede the point sir  Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:06:00 -
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This has been really amusing  Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:53:00 -
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Can someone please save me the trouble of reading all 23 pages of this back n' forth and explain what the heck is going on here? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Can someone please save me the trouble of reading all 23 pages of this back n' forth and explain what the heck is going on here? In essence, you can make a Hulk survive a gank. Alternatively, you can just go for the long haul, skip that, and include the occasional Hulk loss as the cost of doing business as a highsec miner. Either way, the risk is manageable. Quite elementary, really.
Being an ex Hulk pilot I would happily agree with this statement. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:04:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:In essence, you can make a Hulk survive a gank. Alternatively, you can just go for the long haul, skip that, and include the occasional Hulk loss as the cost of doing business as a highsec miner. Either way, the risk is manageable.
Quite elementary, really. It's not if you lose 2-3 Hulks per week. It's manageable if you can mine enough ore to cover that loss before you lose next ship. Or get high enough income from other sources, like market.
If you take your Hulks in to low or null sec and mine high end minerals, you can easily offset a few losses. And if you Hulk mine in high sec you can just tank your ship. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.03 18:10:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Posting in a thread where "Isk per hour" is the only reason people play this game.
I don't.
Nice to make ISK, yes, but if you're making it your bible, your only motive to play this game, then you fail at Eve.
False. I concede it is not the only reason. Yet you must agree with me that all activities can be looked at from a isk/hour perspective and a balanced game is possible only if the isk/hour - risk/reward scales accordingly. Your thread is built upon a lie and false premises. Your questions are unlikely to have ever produced any usable statistics or data as it fails to take in to account those people who fall partly outside your narrow definitions of a high sec dweller. The reason I say it is based upon a lie is that judging from not only your reaction to certain posters, but your leading questions following on from their responses, that this thread is really a stealth "nerf high sec" whine thread.
And so, after all that, It seems I was right. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:43:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that in most MMOs, not everything is PvP because they offer content that isn't subject to competition, whereas EVE doesn't offer any such escape from the PvP.
Only instance where the other MMOs have content not subject to competition, is when you get an instance and exclusively pick up stuff that is player bound on pick up, which is an extremely rare occurrance. All the other times you get out with something tradable and thus you are subject to competition. On the other side, in EvE you can achieve something quite close to "such escape" you describe. Mine and make your ships and ammo without selling anything, then do L4 missions for the bounties. It's as close to playing a PvE game as it gets, plenty possible and also often done. Many (their bad of course) don't even bother converting the LPs and only recently looting became sort of worthwhile again (if you fly a marauder with tractor beam).
The only way you are going to be able to move past a T1 fitted T1 ship in this game is by engaging in PvP. Since high end minerals are only available in low sec or on the market, and since T2 ships and mods require moon goo to build their components, you are either going to have to compete with low/null sec dwellers in order to mine the high end minerals, or you are going to have to buy stuff from other players on the market, possibly even using buy orders.
The same goes for the moon goo. Since you pretty much have zero chance of ever getting your hands on a Tech moon, you WILL need to engage in at least market PvP at some point. Face the clear and undeniable facts mate, unless you want to stay in a noob ship, in a noob system and never ever undock, you are never going to avoid taking part in PvP in EVE. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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